i think those people hope for the united states to be there to help them. not just the united states, but you're as well. >> should they have been armed? >> the egyptian -- >> no, the uprising. >> the fact that arms are awash among the people is extremely serious and makes it that much more difficult to defend yourselves. you need -- again, there is the potential disaster of the day you cannot predict. you very large security forces around the center. this idea that leadership can go in and change the character of what is happening with the arabs bring -- arab spring -- is the people who are speaking. we cannot intervene from outside. it is not a test of leadership. >> on star. the people were not speaking in benghazi. it w a handful of armed extremist. we were told if we are to the opposition, the country would be awash in weapons, so we did not arm the. -- arm them. now the guns are in the hands of people that are not friendly to the libyan people. maybe leadership is the wrong word. >> all right. >> thank you, both, very much indeed. now to the euro cris